Obama Supporters Blinded By…. Something
Hardcore Obama supporters never cease to amaze me. Take this from GoldnI for example.
I wish we had a media that held other candidates to the same standards that they hold Senator Obama.
Now I remember what college was like, and based on that amazing statement, one can only assume that she typed it after doing a monster bong hit. Not only is it obvious that the media chose Obama over Senator Clinton, but as long as I can remember, I have never seen the news media so biased toward one candidate in the Democratic Primary. Never.
I wish that someone would ask John McCain why, if he does not believe that the Catholic Church is a whore or that Jews brought the Holocaust upon themselves, would he actively pursue the nomination of someone who does believe all of that.
The idiotic comparison of Obama’s relationship to his pastor of twenty years, his mentor, and McCain’s non-relationship to some TV preacher that he was endorsed by, but probably never even met, is stupid. It isn’t even close to the same thing, but even if it was, and it surely isn’t, is that the way you defend your candidate now? It’s like saying “yes he sucks, but the other guy does too.”
Obama is, wrongly or not, held to a higher standard than the other two candidates.
Once again, is she out of her mind? Obama is not held to up to higher standard than anybody. MSNBC practically has a group Obama-asm every night. Put down the bong there GoldnI.
The idiotic comparison of Obama’s relationship to his pastor of twenty years, his mentor, and McCain’s non-relationship to some TV preacher that he was endorsed by, but probably never even met, is stupid.
Yea not even close to the same thing since McCain actively sought Hagee’s endorsement. Obama never sought Wright endorsement. Yes, BIG difference. Idiotic comparison.
“His Mentor”
Its not like Barack Obama was some destitute kid going down the wrong path in life before he met Jeremiah Wright; he was a Columbia grad working as a community organizer who had political views and opinions long before Jeremiah Wright came into the picture.
Glen, show us one picture of Obama on stage campaigning with Wright
William, your stupidity continues to amaze me. This is the guy who named his book, married he and his wife, baptized his daughters. He sat in the congregation listening to that hate filled nonsense for twenty years. He was really, really close to Obama. Amazing! I never, ever knew that there existed in this world people that are as stupid as you are. I never knew.
Sean, Obama used Wright, as well as the Chicago terrorists/radicals in order to further himself in that community. If a white politician used George Wallace or say J. William Fulbright to further his career, would you care? Oh wait, that last one was a bad example.
Glen,
Jeremiah Wright is not George Wallace, he’s a pastor who has a few crazy theories, but he’s never preached separatism, superiority, or violence.
As for Bill Ayers, he did some stuff in the 60s and 70s, but by the time Obama met him he was a member of the Mayor’s administration, and a nationally renowned Professor of Education. Should Obama do criminal background checks on everybody he meets? Obviously it would’ve been wise in hindsight, though cost prohibitive for a State Senator.
I know Vic Lineweaver socially, does that mean I secretly harbor a desire to lose case files?
Are you serious?
Sean it kills me when you resort to defending this guy. It’s unbelievable. If you want to say that Barack doesn’t believe that stuff, then do that. But defending Rev. Wright, as if the crap he said isn’t that bad. Come on.
This is a legitimate issue Sean. If you were intellectually honest, you would admit it is. You know damn well that if there were a similar relationship shared by Mrs. Clinton, you’d be all over it.
My stupidity? These people make you look like Einstein
I meant the opposite, heh, sorry
Glen,
If by “legitimate issue” you mean an issue that will be used against Obama, I agree 100%. If you mean “legitimate issue” in the sense that we should be scared that Obama secretly harbors anti-American sentiments, then no, I don’t.
Jeremiah Wright has not preached separatism, superiority, or violence; in fact, his most controversial sermons were denouncements of the killing of innocent civilians. His speech at the NAACP was about how cultures might be different, but that doesn’t mean any of them are ‘deficient’.
If you want to provide some evidence, instead of just assuming it is self-evident, then I’ll be happy to listen.
Glen,
As for Sen. Clinton, you are more than welcome to go through my blog and find the instances of intellectual dishonesty, I’m sure there are some, but I’ve gone to great lengths to hold both candidates to similar standards; as such, I’ve criticized Obama many times on his trade pandering and a handful of other issues. It just so happens I find myself much more in line with Obama on values and policy.
Sean just listen to his sermons. You’re telling me that that isn’t separatism, or racism? I give up.
Glen,
Yes, racism is preaching superiority entails superiority, he’s never said that Blacks were superior to White. He’s never called for a separate black economy, a separate black state, or even a separate black church (there are Caucasians and Hispanics who go to Trinity as well).
He does blame the Government and the corporate power structure (i.e., rich white people) for many problems in the African-American community; but in those same sermons, if you get beyond the soundbites, he lays the responsibility for fixing it on the backs of the individuals in the congregation.
Part of the reason his church focuses on African heritage is because many blacks grow up with an inferiority complex because they are shown (especially in the 80s when he started) mostly negative portrayals in the media, and their immediate community. That is why they set up mentorship programs so that the successful members of the congregation (doctors, lawyers, politicians) would be hooked up with disadvantaged youths who might not have a father figure in their life.
Again, if you want to point out a specific instance of superiority or racism we can debate it, but right now you are generalizing.
Oh, and the United Church of Christ is a predominantly white denomination, its not one of the major seven black denominations…if he wanted to be a separatist, he’d have broken with UCC.
As for Bill Ayers, he did some stuff in the 60s and 70s, but by the time Obama met him he was a member of the Mayor’s administration, and a nationally renowned Professor of Education. Should Obama do criminal background checks on everybody he meets?
For what was he convicted? How much time did he do in the Big House?
Now, Scooter Libby…
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Good point, he wasn’t convicted of anything to my knowledge…but, I guess Obama was supposed to know the intimate details of the trial and everything else surrounding events that took place when he was a kid.
Sean, I think deep down you know your just acting like a lawyer representing a client. Such a shame.
I think that Wright’s views are divisive and destructive, and they give comfort to those who prey on hate.
Glen,
I think deep down you know I’m right…but then again, neither of us know what each other thinks deep down.
Ned,
Destructive perhaps (and yes, I know thats what Obama said), but I don’t think that equates with racism or separatism. Stupid, counter-productive, but that doesn’t make him a ‘racist’. He spent one too many whites watching BET Comedy and thought he could do impressions of white people; which may be alright when comedians do it, but when you’ve been tarred and feathered as a racist, its not the wisest thing in the world to do.
Glen, I will admit though, it is my nature to take a contrarian point of view…so maybe thats what I’m doing; but quite frankly I wouldn’t have a problem sitting down and having a nice drink and discussion with Bill Ayers, nor would I feel uncomfortable in Trinity UCC.
Sean, why do you think it is important to them that Jesus be black and not Jewish? I mean, it shouldn’t matter should it? But it does to these people. Perhaps if he was Jewish, like you, Obama’s church would not worship him. They just can’t accept that Jesus was a Jew. Says a lot, does it not?
Btw, in human form he was Jewish, a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, not that it matters.
With all of the things he says about Italians in the pulpit, I don’t think I would be too comfortable there. After all, it was rich Italians that did the killing.
Glen,
I don’t think they focus on his race all that much, other than to say he was black. Now, I don’t know what color he was, as it was 2,000 years ago, whether he was black, brown, white, or any mixture in between…they seem to think he was black, I’ve seen some recreations which look pretty damn black to me (at least, blacker than Jeremiah Wright).
As for saying that Italians killed Jesus…I’d have to recheck my Bible, but I’m pretty sure it was the Romans who crucified Jesus. Now, I don’t think he should use the term “Italian” as the Roman Empire, and especially the Roman Army, wasn’t comprised entirely of Italians…but its not exactly inaccurate.
Basically though, you are seeing a few selected snippets presented to you by someone with an agenda. So, you take 2 or 3 sermons over 7 years and extrapolate that to the entire 20 years that Obama was there. I’ve seen some of his sermons online, and American politics, Romans, etc…play a very small part in them.
That takes the cake there. I give up.
As you should when shown to be wrong
Sean…
If you believe Barack’s 20-year immersion in UCC doesn’t influence his politics, then I direct you to this essay on Black Liberation Theology, where there’s a strong case for the influence of BLT on Obama’s current political mindset. Jeremiah Wright was very close to Obama; Obama knew he was controversial and sought to neutralize him, but being an inexperienced politician he’s only made things worse for himself. Wright was his mentor, and Wright is a Dr. James H. Cone BLT stalwart.
Was Obama just sleeping through those sermons? Not likely. He’s caught up in BLT, and he will deliver it to America if he’s elected.
Hidden away (for awhile) in his flowery rhetoric and the now-blown ‘Messiah’ image is the Marxist at heart ultra-liberal Barack Obama.
Unelectable now, of course.